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Post by Ana Ng on Jan 19, 2002 1:47:04 GMT -5
It's been a few days since anyone has posted in this forum, so I thought I'd give everyone an interesting fun fact from my beloved DS9 companion: When writing "What You Leave Behind", the writers knew some of the characters were going to kickin' the bucket. But there was one character, who, in the minds of the writers, was definitely going to die and definitely going to be the first to drop in the episode. This character was Damar. Why did Damar have to die? To show how helpless Cardassia was eventually going to be, without their inspiring, fearless leader and 800 million casualties? No! Casey Biggs played Damar, but Casey Biggs also played "Travis" in a movie about the Alamo.. and since the Alamo was such a running joke among the writers, and an obsession among some of the characters.. Casey Biggs' resume was too much too ignore. Travis died in the Alamo, so Damar had to die as well.  Interesting, no? |
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Post by Zeph on Jan 19, 2002 20:20:31 GMT -5
Very cool fact Ana...I did not know this.
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Post by Dj on Feb 16, 2002 21:47:14 GMT -5
That is fascinating. I always wondered why they had to kill him.... any other facts?
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Post by Friendly_Tree on Feb 16, 2002 22:14:39 GMT -5
I hated the fact that Damar had to die, DS9 plot wise.
He would have been a good set up for leader in post war Cardassia.
And it felt like they used him like a ensign red shirt, the way they killed him.
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Post by Ana Ng on Feb 17, 2002 2:03:42 GMT -5
That is fascinating. I always wondered why they had to kill him.... any other facts? Oh, Djclljx, I'm SO glad you asked!  Here's an array of random fun facts: Armin Shimmerman's favorite episode of DS9 is "Duet" (mine too!) The original idea for Ezri Dax's backstory that was to be shown in "Prodigal Daughter" was that of Ezri Dax, mafia princess. The premise was that Ezri's entire family were big players in the Orion Syndicate, and the writers created a script of "the family from hell!" for the episode. The original story included comments from Mom like "How do you think you got that worm, anyway?", implying that Ezri was joined because Mom pulled strings with the Syndicate. In the end, the writers decided that Ezri's family wouldn't be so entirely nefarious, deciding that it would be too sleazy for Starfleet to be deceived like that. The idea of the Vorta being clones came mostly from the fact that everyone loved Jeffery Combs' portrayal of Weyoun. And since Weyoun died in his first episode, they made it possible for many, many more Weyouns to appear for the rest of the series. Sarina, one of the genetically enhanced characters from "Statistical Probablilities" actually had some lines in the original episode that got edited. It was something that TPTB felt bad about at the time, but were eventually pleased with, because if they hadn't cut her lines in "Statistical Probabilities", there never would have been a "Chrysalis". Martin Sheen was originally in strong consideration for the role of Deputy Director Sloan. |
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Post by Peter_Pevensie on Feb 19, 2002 8:19:53 GMT -5
Martin Sheen was originally in strong consideration for the role of Deputy Director Sloan. Wow...he would have made a great Sloan! |
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Post by Ana Ng on Feb 20, 2002 1:10:25 GMT -5
Wow...he would have made a great Sloan! Yeah, you're not kidding. I'm a big fan of Martin Sheen's work on The West Wing, and when I read that he could have been a part of DS9, I couldn't help but feel a little cheated. |
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Post by Zeph on Feb 21, 2002 10:15:12 GMT -5
Where are you getting these from? I consider myself well read on trek......and your just blowing me away....I need your source!!!!!
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Post by Peter_Pevensie on Feb 21, 2002 12:17:51 GMT -5
^^^ I think the DS9 Companion, which I was too cheap to buy while I was in the States.  |
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Post by Ana Ng on Feb 22, 2002 2:12:35 GMT -5
Yep, the DS9 Companion. Which I was almost too cheap to buy, but then decided I needed to give myself a present.  Here are some more fun little nuggets of information: The original idea for Vic Fontaine was that there would be a nightclub singer who would "be a guy like Yoda who would show up periodically". The part was developed for Frank Sinatra, Jr., who is a big Trek fan. Anyway, they talked to Frank Sinatra, Jr. about the role, and he wanted to be on Star Trek, but he didn't want to play a singer, he wanted to play an alien! This was during Season 4, and the idea was scrapped for a while, until the writing team was working on "A Simple Investigation", and really thought it would be a great time to bring in the sage-like nightclub singer character. So the writing team met with Robert Goulet, Tom Jones, Jerry Vale and Steve Lawrence about the part. Anyway, Ira Behr and a friend went to a memorabilia convention just to buy some stuff, and who was there signing autographs, but James Darren? Behr wanted to go up to him right there to discuss the part, but his friend thought it was too unprofessional, and convinced him to wait until he was back to work. He took his friend's advice and waited until Monday, when he and the writing team arranged to have lunch with Darren. While the were chatting over lunch, Darren started chatting them up about old times with the Rat Pack, and they all realized he'd just slipped into character, and the team was so impressed, that James Darren became Vic Fontaine. The companion also gives us (somewhat) of an explanation on the Worf/Troi relationship: "My thinking was that the relationship with Troi somehow broke up after the destruction of the Enterprise-D", says Ron Moore, "It was probably amicable. But I never found a place where it felt natural to mention Troi without turning it into a big scene of exposition." |
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 22, 2002 5:48:02 GMT -5
Excellent tidbit about Darren, Ana. For you young whippersnappers who don't know about him, Darren appeared in THREE "Gidget" movies in the late '50's and early '60's, where he sang as well as acted, and he was a regular on several Irwin Allen shows including a starring role in The Time Tunnel, which was probably why he was at the convention in the first place, hence the above event. If you ask me "Who was Gidget," I'll invest in a rocking chair and a cane!  ;D |
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Post by UltimateTrekker on Feb 22, 2002 7:49:50 GMT -5
El, I'm only 23 but I know who gidget it. A very young, cute Sally Field (I actually was roaming the IMDB yesterday, got into pics of Sally Field and thought, "Wasn't she Gidget" and double checked.
When Fox started it's TV service and our affiliate opened up, FOX still had no programming. It was classic reruns all day, and every night was a movie (or 2)
Of course (just for fun) her next gig was "The Flying Nun"
As for Darren, before he stepped foot on DS9 with Captain Sisko, he was busting criminal with Captain Kirk (on TJ Hooker).
And, I must give a slight apology to Gidget fans. Field portrayed her in the TV series that I mentioned, she was played by 3 different actresses in the movies (that Darren was in) first by the blonde beauty, Sandra Dee (Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee...)
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 22, 2002 13:48:56 GMT -5
To pick up where "the Grease fan" left off, the cute, perky Deborah Walley played her in "Gidget Goes Hawaiian" and Cindy Carol("Who?") played her in "Gidget Goes To Rome." Frederick Kohner wrote a novel based on the exploits of his beach-combing daughter, got ripped off for millions in royalties, and the rest is history. I was a beach-movie junkie when I was a kid(had to start somewhere, didn't it? ) |
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Post by UltimateTrekker on Feb 22, 2002 14:58:41 GMT -5
Of course, then Back to the Beach with Frankie and Annette (and Pee-Wee, and Bob Denver)
Wow, just hit my brain that Frankie was "Teen Angel" in Grease!
Wow...
Frankie Avalon Paul Reubins (Back to the Beach)
Paul Reubins John Belushi (The Blues Brothers)
John Belushi Kevin Bacon (Animal House)
Cool.
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 23, 2002 2:28:34 GMT -5
^^If you want to play Beach Movie Kevin Bacon, try this:
Troy Donahue. I can do it in four.
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;D
