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Post by Zeph on Feb 14, 2002 10:36:50 GMT -5
But Peter Picard Gets to live another life, live his ups and downs....To live another mans life...to trully glimpse his soul, I have always wondered what it would be like to be you, I would probobly be changhed deeply If I spent one day as you. It is not a "Human Condition" episode. It is a walk one mile in my shoes and remember me when I am gone episode, a way to make a living Tombstone
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 14, 2002 11:04:12 GMT -5
My feelings for Inner Light were mixed, but I can understand why most of the fans like it.
I would have enjoyed it more if it didn't attempt to "have its cake and eat it too." It gave Picard a chance to learn about an alien culture through the eyes of one of its inhabitants, but instead he explored his own doubts and fears about commitment while remaining ignorant of the history of the culture that he was interacting with. Perhaps that wasn't the point of the story, but I was still a little disappointed that the exploration of strange new worlds theme of the show took a backseat to Picard's "inner exploration" making it his go native, "Paradise Syndrome" episode.
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Post by UltimateTrekker on Feb 14, 2002 11:59:12 GMT -5
(Before you go telling me that Trek isn't about ships and technology, but about exploring the human condition, save it. I'm just feeling contrary today. ) I would NEVER try to say that. Trek is what it is to YOU. This came up years ago in a discussion of DS9ers vs. Voyagers. It was a consensus, that if you like space battles and future stuff, you'd like Voyager, if you wanted in depth stories and char development, you'd like DS9 It's what it is to you, not me.
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Post by Peter_Pevensie on Feb 14, 2002 13:14:19 GMT -5
You guys are missing my point. Sorry...sarcasm doesn't carry well in text, does it? I normally like the deeper episodes; I didn't care for IL. They spent too much time focusing on the life Picard lived and completely ignored the opportunity to explore the effects that lifetime must have had on him after he "returned" to the Enterprise. Furthermore, they continued to ignore it throughout the run of the series and on into the feature films. IL is one of the worst examples of a "reset button" episode I know of. Please don't get me wrong, guys. I'm not bashing here -- the episode or your opinions of it. I just disagree. I'm in a disagreeable mood today.
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 15, 2002 2:40:01 GMT -5
^^^They didn't ignore it entirely, Peter. UT will probably remember the name of the ep, but it was the one where Picard had a near-Mary Sue experience with a research scientist who played a cello or a bass and accompanied him in a musical interlude in one scene.
I too was disappointed with the episode, but for a slightly different reason, as I stated earlier.
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Post by UltimateTrekker on Feb 15, 2002 7:14:25 GMT -5
I was just about to talk about "Lessons" El, but you beat me to it.
In that episode when his "Mary Sue" catches him with the flute, he admits that it is a very personal thing that he doesn't share with anyone. Very understandable.
I'm pretty sure that the flute has popped up in another or at least been in his room as dressing.
But, yes, Peter, at the same time, there is a large extent of reset button to that episode as well.
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Post by Zeph on Feb 15, 2002 22:55:40 GMT -5
Are you all that hardend or am I that soft?, I expect UT to argue with me(Its his job) but Peter? Elric? Oh well you know I love ya two lugs...so we disagree, I can live with that.
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Post by Christina on Feb 16, 2002 5:17:57 GMT -5
Back to the topic
TOS - Mirror Mirror TNG - duh, no title coming to mind DS9 - not my fave show so, er, Little Green Men? (only title coming to mind) VOY - too many to choose. Nemesis I can watch again and again ENT - not seen enough to say. Ask again in 7 years!
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 16, 2002 22:39:22 GMT -5
Are you all that hardend or am I that soft?, I expect UT to argue with me(Its his job) but Peter? Elric? Now, now, Zeph. I didn't say that you didn't have a valid point when you said that you liked it. I said that I could understand why most fans liked it, didn't I? All I was saying that Picard dealing with his personal problems with "settling down" and how he "resolved it" dominated the story instead of serve as subtext like TOS's Paradise Syndrome did regarding Kirk's issues with the "M" word. At least in that ep, we had Spock explain where the Indians came from and who put them there. We still don't know enough about the people that Picard "spent time with." Picard's diplomatic and archaeological instincts were being suplanted by his initial case of Dorothy Disease, followed by a guilt-inspired "let's play House" story thread and an intentionally open ending. Maybe I'm being curmudgeonly too, but I expected better. I usually do when I watch Trek.Thanks for trying to understand, Zeph.*Elric gives Zeph a brotherly hug*
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Post by Tpol on Feb 17, 2002 6:17:05 GMT -5
TOS The Changeling (is where they got the idea for ST1) TNG The Inner light( wow what an episode) DS9 Trials and Tribbleations (hilarious) Voy Relativity (stimulating wide variety of emotions) Ent Shadows of P'Jem (Just bloody good)
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Post by AlexanderTheGreat on Feb 17, 2002 8:48:12 GMT -5
TOS - The one where Kirk had to sacrifice Edith Keeler. I feel stupid for forgetting the name. I think I know it but i dont wanna say the wrong thing - remeber i havent watched much TOS
TNG - Best of Both Worlds
DS9 - Too hard to pick just one...umm id i have to go with Emmissary, Duet, His Way...i wish i could say more..
VOY - Lineage
ENT - Dear Doctor
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Post by Elric3960 on Feb 17, 2002 22:36:27 GMT -5
TOS - The one where Kirk had to sacrifice Edith Keeler. I feel stupid for forgetting the name. I think I know it but i dont wanna say the wrong thing - remeber i havent watched much TOS "City on the Edge of Forever," Alexander. The episode that UT didn't want to name because it's "too easy" and even non-Trek fans loved it! I had mixed feelings regarding the controversy surrounding it. I liked Ellison's original script for it, but I think the aired broadcast was truer to "Trek" and an admirable testing ground for Dorothy Fontana's abilities as a Script Editor and a writer. She defined the Kirk/Spock relationship superbly, as per Dr. Asimov's suggestion and Roddenberry's directive, and I think it was De Kelley's second best performance(For the World is Hollow...stands out IMO)!
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Post by Chakotay on Feb 18, 2002 21:22:55 GMT -5
As I've only seen Voyager all the way through, season 1 and part of 2 of DS9, and Enterprise, I'll only vote for those three.
Voyager - Caretaker DS9 - The Way of The Warrior (I know it was a later season - my station showed it yesterday and I think it's the best so far) Enterprise - I can't really say as I've not been able to get that interested in it yet.
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Post by Capt.Scott on Feb 19, 2002 0:33:46 GMT -5
TOS-Doomsday Machine TNG-Times Arrow 1&2 and to respond to the eppy with Picard and his Brother it was called Family DS9-Way of the Warrior 1&2 VOY-Year of Hell ENT-not sure yet
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